The New Panerai P.9010 – Perpetual Downgrading

In late 2020, Panerai customers started noticing that their latest P.9010-powered watches no longer had “hacking seconds”, a feature that stops the seconds hand for accurate adjustment. Since all of these movements were now hidden behind closed casebacks, people could not help but wonder what else had changed. A picture which surfaced a few days ago on an Italian Panerai forum reveals the extent to which the P.9010 movement was downgraded. Gone is not only the “hacking seconds” feature but with it all the finishing one would expect in a Swiss-made watch starting at around US$ 8k. What is left of the movement – which ironically is called P.9010 “Evolution” – is a unit that looks like one of those loveless, mass-produced calibers made in the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War. But the P.9010 is not the only caliber that was downgraded without notice. Latest examples of the smaller P.900 lost their “hacking” mechanism as well.

Panerai P.9010

The P.9010 is an automatic movement made by Richemont’s movement supplier Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier but claimed to be an in-house caliber “executed entirely by Panerai” or as it has been rephrased following my highly critical article Panerai In-House Movements – A Pam Of Worms, “created by Panerai”– whatever that means.

Panerai P.9010 in its original form

The P.9010 is the successor of the thick P.9000, and was first introduced in 2016 with the PAM1312 which replaced the chunky PAM312. Although nowhere near “Haute Horlogerie”, the P.9010 had the kind of finish one could expect in watches of this price range. Rotor and bridges featured a satin-brushed finish, all bridges had polished chamfers (anglage), all holes in the main bridge had polished countersinks, the main plate was snailed around the edge and the area underneath the balance bridge was nicely decorated with a circular graining known as perlage. Decorated were of course only the visible areas. Other brands in this price category decorate their movements also in places that are not visible to the eye, for instance underneath the barrel as in the image below. It is called the art of watchmaking.

Finishing Rolex vs. Panerai

A closer look at the dial side of the P.9010 reveals there is no decoration at all. As can be seen in the picture below, the Rolex 3235 has full perlage on the dial side, a place not visible to the eye. The surface of the P.9010 is just micro-sandblasted. All plates are micro-sandblasted after machining get rid of burrs and tool marks.

Finishing Rolex Cal. 3235 vs. Panerai P.9010 “Original”

The hour hand of the P.9010 can be adjusted without interfering with the minute hand, which is convenient when you travel between time zones. In addition, there is also a mechanism known as “hacking seconds” which stops the seconds hand when the crown is pulled all the way. The picture below is a screenshot taken from the current P.9010 video on the Panerai website and shows the very moment the “hacking seconds” lever enganges with the balance wheel to stop it from oscillating. This is a standard feature which can be found in many mechanical watches that cost less than USD 1,000.

Screenshot of the P.9010 video on the Panerai website with the ‘hacking seconds’ lever engaged to the balance wheel

In this rendering, you can see the polished chamfers, the perlage on the mainplate and the satin-brushed bridges. Note the sides of the plates. Those are micro-sandblasted surfaces. After machining, all plates are micro-sandblasted to remove burrs, tool marks, etc. Please keep this in the back of your mind for later.

Panerai P.9010 “Evolution”

In late 2020, a number of Panerai customers started lamenting the seconds hand on their P.9010-powered watches would not stop when they pulled the crown. Expecting it to be a manufacturing defect, the watches were sent back to Panerai. It was not a flaw though. Panerai had quietly downgraded the P.9010 in June 2020, in the midst of the worst pandemic in a century. Neither was the website updated nor were the distributors, namely Panerai boutiques and ADs, informed. In mid January 2021, news about the missing “hacking seconds” broke on TRF (The Rolex Forums) after an impacted Panerai customer shared the following reply from Panerai:

Please be advised that the P.9010 movement used in the PAM01313 has been updated as of 2020. This movement no longer features the hacking seconds or seconds reset function. The aesthetic of the movement has also been changed from horizontal brushing to a microblasted finishing.

The news spread like wildfire through major watch forums and Panerai facebook groups. Faced with countless inquiries and hit by a barrage of negative feedback, Panerai was forced to update the online description of the movement but refrained – until today – from publishing an actual picture of the new movement featuring “microblasted finishing”. What followed was a veritable paper chase for pictures of the actual movement but it would take more than a year before the first image surfaced. I must say, Panerai did a tremendous job at keeping the full extent of the downgrade secret.

The following picture (left) was provided by an Italian Panerai customer who had the watch opened by a watchmaker just recently. Gone is not just the “hacking seconds” function but also all the finishing one would expect in watches that cost at least USD 8k but can go up to USD 30k.

Panerai P.9010 “Evolution” vs. P.9010 “Original”

Interestingly, most Luminor watches featuring the P.9010 – including bestsellers like the PAM1312 – received closed casebacks in 2020 so with very few exceptions, the P.9010 is now almost completely out of sight. Panerai claims the new movements has a “microblasted finishing”. Let’s break this down, shall we? After machining, all plates must be micro-sandblasted anyway to get rid of burrs and tool marks. Micro-sandblasting is not a finishing, it is a mechanical necessity. Calling it a finish is a stretch. The sad truth is, Panerai dropped the finishing altogether to save cost and hid the movement for as long as possible. Add details like the Soviet-style pallet fork bridge, a punched and press-formed part of the cheapest possible sort, of course bare of any decoration, and you start understanding what you are getting for your hard-earned money.

Comparsion pallet fork bridge

All Panerai models powered by the P.9010 that have close casebacks are now equipped with the new movement. Without “hacking seconds” and decoration however, this can no longer be considered a P.9010 and calling it an “evolution” is simply audacious. It is rather the opposite, a devolution. It is a lesser variant of the caliber and must receive a new reference number so that prospective buyers know what they are dealing with. To this date, Panerai has not provided a picture of the movement to the public.

The P.9010 downgrade is reminescent of one of the biggest deceptions of the Swiss watch industry. In 2009, Panerai released the PAM318 “Brooklyn Bridge” Special Edition which as was later discovered, featured the most basic ETA 6497 one can imagine, a movement that costs barely USD 50. According to the Panerai catalogue, the watch was supposed to have a nicely decorated OP II (ETA 6497 COSC) with Côtes de Genève and heat blued screws but when someone opened one of the watches in 2011, what they found was a raw ETA 6497 instead. The movement did not even have an Incabloc shock protection.

Panerai Panerai OP XXIX (raw ETA 6497) vs. Panerai OP II

Speaking of decoration, as shown earlier the original version of the P.9010 is only decorated in areas that are visible to the eye. This was already the case with ETA 6497-based movements. Perlage was only applied where it could be seen through the gaps between the bridges.

Panerai ETA 6497 mainplate

Yes, this is done by other “luxury” brands as well but it is a sad development nevertheless. Real luxury is abundance, it is going the extra mile as a creator.

Panerai P.900

The P.900 movement was downgraded without notice as well. As with the P.9010, the “hacking seconds” mechanism is gone and with it most certainly all the finishing. A picture of the P.900 installed in the Panerai PAM01225 “eLAB-ID” surfaced a few days after the publishing of this article and shows an extremely crude movement.

Panerai P.900e “eLAB-ID” vs. P.900 “Original”

The bridges of this particular version of the P.900 are made from EcoTitanium, a recycled titanium alloy provided by the French arms industry. With titanium components instead of brass, this is basically the “luxury” version of the P.900. Ladies and gentlemen, PAM01225 “eLAB-ID” has a price tag of USD 60k. If this is the movement you get when you put that kind of money on the table, imagine what the movements that are installed behind closed casebacks in the new 44mm Submersible line “QuarantaQuattro” look like.

Crude Panerai P.900e used in the PAM01225 “eLAB-ID”

The Panerai P.900 is a Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier caliber originally developed for Baume & Mercier (Baumatic). It is used by other Richemont brands as well. You can learn more about it in the “PAM of Worms” article linked further below.


Prices for Panerai watches keep going up but the quality seems to diminish with every new release. Laughable water resistance, fake screw-down casebacks (pressure-fit with dodecagonal shape), spring bars, ETA movements passed as “in-house”, opaque “display” casebacks to save precious material and now closed casebacks to hide completely undecorated calibers. These are not necessary cuts to secure the survival of a struggling company but rather tweaks to make even greater profits at the expense of their customers. Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero! The profits Richemont is making off all of their watch brands is exorbitant and yet, they keep squeezing the lemon. Cutting costs is one thing but trying to fool people and keeping substantial downgrades secret is another. Never mind the fact that historically, Panerai is not even a real watch brand but just a made-up Richemont hoax producing replicas of old Rolex Oyster watches. Panerai’s dishonesty and willingness to deceive their customers is staggering. Something is rotten in the canton of Neuchâtel.

Meanwhile, the current Panerai CEO Jean-Marc Pontroué doubles down on liking Chinese super replicas on social media, from fake watch accounts like “the_icon_watch” (ex “panerai_dna” aka Erwan Grey) which were pointed out to him on numerous occasions. Fake watches from said source are to this date still online on Panerai’s official Instagram. Talk about a complete and utter disrespect for the very people who spend their hard-earned money on his watches. What was the saying again, “the fish rots from the head down”?

Read more: The mind-boggling “Panerai papers” chronicled by Perezcope and Wristbusters (

Thank you for your interest.

Read more: Panerai In-House Movements – A PAM Of Worms

70th Anniversary of Luminor
2020 was the 70th anniversary of Luminor. As so often with Panerai, the celebration had no basis in reality as Luminor was only introduced in the mid 1960. I debunked the false narrative in late 2019 but Panerai nevertheless went ahead with the plan. Interestingly, if you visit the history section on the Panerai website, they have now adopted the real story. No kidding!

Read more: Luminor 2020 – Debunking Panerai’s fictional history of tritium-based lume


  • Brilliantly written & incredibly illuminating. Not happy though as I have about £40k in Panerai stock 🤨


  • Another fantastically written article Jose. Glad to see someone holding Panerai accountable for continually hiding their cost cutting from the customer. Take care!


  • Panerai DE-evolution movement? SMH. Great write up and thanks for even caring anymore. I sure don’t (about Panerai) and traded away my last one last year. Good riddance.


  • Congratulations on your analysis. I recently purchased a Submersible PAM1389 with P9010. I would like to add that on my P9010 Panerai has removed the quick date change, which was instead present on the first p9010s!


  • I parted with my collection a few articles ago, and I greatly appreciate your dedicated reporting. It seems that OP willingly repeats its mistakes, and I do not understand how the prices keep going up.


  • Wonderful writing as always, Jose. Along with your two “PAM of worms” articles, this is one of my favourites on your site.

    I’d love to read more about Richemont Panerai movements (and their shady origins). Would love to see a deep-dive into each of their caliber families some time! Thank you again for your amazing work and keep it up!


  • Excellent article , I have been trying to track down a pre 2020 1312 but now I don’t think I will bother . I heard the CEO of Richemont was one of the richest people in the world , if that’s correct I can see why .


  • Sono Italiano e penso agli iconici
    modelli per la Marina Militare Italiana sui quali la Panerai ha fatto la sua storia. Anch’io nel 2003 ho acquistato un crono Panerai, non ricordo la referenza, che in seguito vendetta per un Rolex.
    Seppur con dispiacere allora, oggi non ho più rimpianti.
    E su Panerai il mio commento è:


    • Well , with the Pam Brooklyn Bridge edition , 318 , Panerai established an Industry 1st by having a factory fitted movement that was significantly inferior to fake/replica Panerai movements . If you look at the finish of the ETA movement in the Stowa Marine Original and then compare it to ETA’s fitted to models like the 318 , you know someone is getting screwed . One could wait for fake 9010’s to appear and perhaps upgrade the genuine watch with the fake movement .


  • Great article !
    Pam00914 and Pam00915 now have closed casebacks while they used to have display casebacks months ago.
    Do you know if movement P5000 has been downgraded as well ?


  • I wouldn’t mind them not using “manufacture” movements or spoofing horological heritage if they only put more effort into delivering a high quality product.
    No hacking seconds. No quick-change date. Token decoration of the movement. This is soviet-era industrial watch design being sold for megabucks. And to make it worse they actually downgraded a movement, increased the price and called it an evolution! That’s contempt for customers.


  • This article triggered threads over at WatchProSite, including an entertaining discussion over weekend. An OP defender insisted removing hacking from the P.9010 is not a downgrade because that’s just an opinion. Compared to other movements and not the hacking P.9010, there’s no evidence the non-hacking P.9010’s performance is lower, and he will “take a non-hacking movement any day that is more robust and accurate over a hand-finished hacking movement that is finicky, not accurate, and in the SPA every few months or years.” Obviously there’s no reasoning with illogic but it can be fun to read!

    The content of this site is not mere watch writing but serious investigative journalism. I have learned a lot. Thank you


  • I hate Panerai but love their watches at the same time. I bought a like new Pam 312 with 3k$ so i am happy with my purchase. No way i will buy the new models and pay the full retail price at their Boutiques….only buy in grey market. If they do the same mistakes 3 times that means thats how they are: greedy, dishonor, very bad mentality of this brand.


    • Grey market/used is a bad idea for Panerai. Too many nearly perfect fakes out there.


  • I mean, I’ve got a Soviet era watch that uses a Poljot 3133 that looks way nicer than that…


  • I recently purchased a new (old stock) 1312 V series, last of the open case back and Ecru dial, I had no interest in the 2020 green dial update. Sad to read this but being part of a huge group like Richmont the sharing of calibres is bound to happen. It’s the same with IWC these days. I guess albeit not a fan, I get why people love Rolex sport watches albeit they are way to common and way over priced if you don’t wait years for a new one!


  • Great article, absolutely loved it!

    It has gotten to the point that I would not even be surprised anymore if, in the near future, we will find out that Panerai actually sources its mouvements in china. Their CEO seems to approve their work……
    If the super clowns start to be better than the originals, that’s not so great for the Paneristi!
    It is really sad.


    • The movement in the Brooklyn Bridge model actually was inferior to the movement in most fakes .


  • As I see it the only Panerai that are mostly created by Panerai are the Mare Nostrum and the Egiziano? And their cases are distracted from the other products they produced?


  • My frustration is such that it seems justified for me to get a replica of an otherwise remarkable industrial and family effort and the struggle of a country during the war, because the real deal is very similar! I feel frustrated and worried to even look at used examples on eBay, even with their Authentication Process, as these might not be Perezcoped! It’s an outstanding column and richly illustrated, the editorial chapter hits you right in the chin! The timeline is outstanding! I was happy to learn that Cortébert was also a supplier of movements in the late history of Panerai, as I own one, that belonged to my father, albeit, despite the fact that it was cleaned and lubed, it runs fast 5″ per day!


  • Have always wanted a Panerai… not now. As far as I’m concerned, no one can now be faulted for buying a superclone. Hell, if they’re good enough for Panerai’s CEO, they’re good enough for me. Lol



  • In September 2022 a YouTube channel, WatchAdvisor, made four videos detailing watch production in the Panerai factory. A true love story. Nothing happens by accident in life. Was Panerai reacting to this article? BTW, I own a Marina Carbotech with the P.9010. I love the look of the watch, but may not have bought the watch after reading this article.


  • Bought a PAM00351 (P9000) back in 2010 for my 40th. Was supposed to be ‘limited edition’ of 1250 pieces until it wasn’t. The case back came loose after 3 weeks…a brand new divers watch for Christ’s sake. I’m a mug, obviously. I didn’t know about any of this until I stumbled upon your site.

    Was considering a Radiomir as my next watch, but needless to say I will never buy a Panerai, or any Richemont watch ever again.


    • Most Richemont products are excellent and have virtually zero issues , and are certainly not dumbed down like Panerai .
      Look at Vacheron , A Lange , IWC etc . I don’t recall the 351 being a ltd edition , rather limited annual production .
      How Richemont can allow whats going on with Panerai is food for thought .


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